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President Obama….Give it up…there will be no deal with Iran…..

This piece in the New York Times makes me scratch my head….Barack Obama is a real smart guy…but he still hasn’t got the fact that Iran wants a bomb…period….no amount of talking, or sanctions, is going to stop that……

But another country in the Middle East will probably have to try to……

November 9, 2009 - Posted by | Government, Media, Military, Politics | , , , , ,


  1. I think it is unwise for those of us not privy to classified information to cling too fiercely to our beliefs on matters like this. “Iran wants a bomb…period….no amount of talking, or sanctions, is going to stop that.” Maybe, maybe not. It was only eight years ago most of us thought we had an unshakeable grip on the intentions of Hussein’s regime in Iraq. And we were all wrong. Maybe Iran is going to develop nuclear weapons. Maybe Iran isn’t, but wants you and I to think that. Absent classified information, or quite possibly even with it, we don’t know which is true.


    Comment by The Center Square | November 9, 2009 | Reply

  2. neither do I…but I do know, Center Square, that sometimes classified info is no more than amplified public info….for example..I am sure that every situation center for our or other countries military has CNN on it’s screens because they move news faster than the classified links……

    Because I try to do this everyday I feel that Obama knows that he’s going nowhere with this….

    I do not want to see this other country ‘do its thing’ and neither does the CIC…..but since his predecessor stopped a move by that country …..The problem goes on….

    ……it’s just that my common sense tells me that sooner or later something is gonna happen…and my common sense tells me that the talking isn’t gonna be enough….

    And I could be wrong, like you say…but I don’t think so…not on this……

    Comment by jamesb101 | November 9, 2009 | Reply

  3. only time will tell……

    Comment by jamesb101 | November 9, 2009 | Reply

  4. but Obama’s batting zero on this……

    Comment by jamesb101 | November 9, 2009 | Reply

  5. Are you saying all the relevant information already is known by the general public? In my opinion, that is sheer nonsense.

    I also don’t understand the batting zero comment. Remember Iran developed a second uranium processing facility in Qom while President Bush was in office[http://www.cfr.org/publication/16811].

    I think the nuclear threat from Iran is very real, but I also think that Bush’s strategy in dealing with it clearly failed (vis Qom facility), and so far Obama seems to be succeeding at aligning the international community to oppose Iran on this.

    I don’t see that as batting zero. But yes, only time will tell.

    Comment by The Center Square | November 9, 2009 | Reply

  6. no…of course there are secrets…lots of them….but it seems to me that on the whole the basic scope of things are accessible in the open press….we don’t see the raw pictures from the spy satellites…or their magnification…but the basic info is there…

    If you check closely in the everyday media (I’m sure most intel agencies do ) you would get the basic’s of things…..

    batting zero….the president and the State department has in public engaged Iran in several attempts to move their uranium to a third country…each try has failed….in each case the Iranians prolong things and then back away from table…..that’s a zero

    and Obama knows that…..it’s evident to us regular people….please do not take my comments to mean that I’m not happy he is trying…I am…

    While he get props from the outside world..he has to be having this nagging feeling that he’s getting played and that the Iranian’s re working triple time to get finished with whatever they are doing……

    And that is something that should make EVERY country in that region nervous…..

    And I’m sure it does…….

    When do they reach the tipping point?

    Do these countries feel in their hearts that they can live with an Iran with an offensive nuke?

    Comment by jamesb101 | November 9, 2009 | Reply

  7. I appreciate the explanation of what you meant by batting zero. I would observe, though, that by that standard, every president has batted zero with every nuclear-ambitioned nation since the dawn of the atomic age. No country has ever made that concession, not even Libya when announced the cessation of its nuclear program in 2004.

    I guess we’ll have to disagree about the intelligence aspects of this issue. IMO, no way is the media privy to all of what the diplomats, IAEA, intelligence officers and our elected leaders know.

    I do think it is highly relevant that Iran’s nuclear program continued to advance under the US’s approach prior to Obama. For all of the fervor applied to the issue, that approach yieded Iran the opportunity built its second uranium processing plant, in Qom, during that time. This president will be tested by whether Iran continues to advance the program, or it stalls, or it even is dismantled or reversed. As we have both said, only time will tell on that score.

    Thanks for a sane and thoughtful discussion. A rarity in the blogosphere.

    Comment by The Center Square | November 9, 2009 | Reply

  8. agreed on the first….

    second ok…no problem….

    agreed on the third…..

    come back anytime….that’s why I do this…..

    Comment by jamesb101 | November 9, 2009 | Reply

  9. An atomic Persia is so 1970s

    Comment by Timothy Peter Leal | November 10, 2009 | Reply

  10. and very dangerous…….

    Comment by jamesb101 | November 11, 2009 | Reply

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