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Veterans rally for the repeal of 'Don't Ask…Don't Tell'….

In a story that seems to be running below the headlines…..

A good amount of veterans around the country are rallying against Secretary Gates footdragging on giving his blessing

For the passgae of recinding the DADT policy Congress put into effect during the Clinton Presidency..

Congress would like to put the change in policy on the next military spending bill that Gates is bitching about……

Ah, Gates actually wants Congress to give him less money for the troops…..personally…

You know benefits and stuff…

I don’t think that’s gonna happen……

Let’s see how the DADT things goes……

Hundreds of veterans on Tuesday will urge lawmakers to repeal this year the ban on openly gay personnel serving in the military.

The approximately 350 veterans from 44 states will lobby lawmakers as the House and Senate Armed Services committees prepare to write the 2011 national defense authorization bill.

Supporters of the repeal, both in Congress and the outside arena, are eyeing the defense authorization bill as the vehicle to carry legislation scrapping the Clinton-era law, known as “Don’t ask, don’t tell.”

In the Senate, the veterans are focusing in particular on six members of the Armed Services panel: Sens. Evan Bayh (D-Ind.), Robert Byrd (D-W.Va.), Jim Webb (D-Va.), Bill Nelson (D-Fla.), Ben Nelson (D-Neb.) and Scott Brown (R-Mass.).

The hundreds of veterans lobbying include many from the “key states” that have members on the Armed Services panel, said Michael Cole, the new-media campaign director at Human Rights Campaign, which organized the lobby day along with Servicemembers United and a broad coalition of organizations supporting the repeal.

More than a third of the veterans coming to Capitol Hill hail from Florida, Virginia, West Virginia, Massachusetts, Indiana and Nebraska. They include gay, straight and lesbian service members.

Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin (D-Mich.), who co-sponsored the repeal legislation with fellow committee member Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.), needs 15 votes on the panel to be able to include the legislation in the bill before it goes to the full Senate. The repeal legislation would be much harder to strip by its opponents once it is on the Senate floor.

One of the hurdles Levin and Lieberman have to overcome is Defense Secretary Robert Gates’ opposition to repealing the ban before the Pentagon finishes its yearlong study on the impact the change would have on the military. That study is expected to be completed by Dec. 1.

The Vets are correct in worrying that the wait till December would all but stop any momentum on the repeal of the policy…..

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May 11, 2010 Posted by | Blogs, Breaking News, Counterpoints, Government, Law, Media, Men, Military, Other Things, PoliticalDog Calls, Politics, Polls, Updates, Women | , , | 3 Comments

Gates angers gay activists with a call to Congress to hold up on Don’t Ask…Don’t Tell…..

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has proposed  that Congress forbid the Military from expelling any service member while the Pentagon studies getting rid of the Clinton era policy…..

Defense Secretary i has sent a letter to the House Armed Services Committee against the move…..

Which has angered gay activists…..

They fear that if they lose the momentum within Congress …

The policy will never be repealed……

In a letter Friday to the House Armed Services Committee, Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Adm. Mike Mullen said forcing policy changes on the military before it’s ready would be a mistake, The Associated Pressreported.

“Our military must be afforded the opportunity to inform us of their concerns, insights and suggestions if we are to carry out this change successfully,” Gates and Mullen wrote to the committee’s chairman, Rep. Ike Skelton (D-Mo).

Gates has said he supports repealing the 1993 law, known as “don’t ask, don’t tell.” He has ordered a study that will investigate if housing arrangements should be changed and whether gay partners would be allowed military benefits. It is due in December.

If Congress acts before then, “it would send a very damaging message to our men and women in uniform that in essence their views, concerns and perspectives do not matter,” he and Mullen wrote.

Gay rights advocates were quick to protest Friday’s letter.

More……..

May 3, 2010 Posted by | Blogs, Breaking News, Counterpoints, Government, Law, Media, Men, Military, Other Things, PoliticalDog Calls, Politics, Updates, Women | , , , | 5 Comments

Gates angers gay activists with a call to Congress to hold up on Don't Ask…Don't Tell…..

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has proposed  that Congress forbid the Military from expelling any service member while the Pentagon studies getting rid of the Clinton era policy…..

Defense Secretary i has sent a letter to the House Armed Services Committee against the move…..

Which has angered gay activists…..

They fear that if they lose the momentum within Congress …

The policy will never be repealed……

In a letter Friday to the House Armed Services Committee, Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Adm. Mike Mullen said forcing policy changes on the military before it’s ready would be a mistake, The Associated Pressreported.

“Our military must be afforded the opportunity to inform us of their concerns, insights and suggestions if we are to carry out this change successfully,” Gates and Mullen wrote to the committee’s chairman, Rep. Ike Skelton (D-Mo).

Gates has said he supports repealing the 1993 law, known as “don’t ask, don’t tell.” He has ordered a study that will investigate if housing arrangements should be changed and whether gay partners would be allowed military benefits. It is due in December.

If Congress acts before then, “it would send a very damaging message to our men and women in uniform that in essence their views, concerns and perspectives do not matter,” he and Mullen wrote.

Gay rights advocates were quick to protest Friday’s letter.

More……..

May 3, 2010 Posted by | Blogs, Breaking News, Counterpoints, Government, Law, Media, Men, Military, Other Things, PoliticalDog Calls, Politics, Updates, Women | , , , | 5 Comments

Secretary of the Army won’t get rid of Gay solider’s talking to him ‘off the record’……

In a acknowledgement that taking action against gay solider’s talking to him ‘off the record’ would chill the air US Army Secretary John McHugh has made it clear that off the record means that just that….off the record….and that he will not apply the ‘Don’t ask……Don’t Tell’ rules to the gay soldiers who speak to him frankly…….

Under the current law, known as “Don’t ask, don’t tell,” service members who declare that they are gay would have to be discharged, but McHugh indicated he would not pursue any discharges against soldiers who make those statements in private conversations with him.

“I have had men and women in uniform approach me and declare that they were gay and give me their opinion,” McHugh told reporters at a defense writers breakfast. “I don’t consider, under the current way forward, that an open and honest discussion that is required in the secretary’s directive is an outing.”

President Barack Obama wants to see the “Don’t ask, don’t tell” law scrapped, and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates has tasked military service leaders with assessing the force’s position on implementing a repeal of the Clinton-era law.

More……..

Update……

McHugh must have got beatup a little…..He isses this statement a day later…..

“With regard to the three soldiers who shared their views and thoughts with me on ‘Don’t Ask Don’t Tell,’ I might better have counseled them that statements about their sexual orientation could not be treated as confidential and could result in their separation under the law,” McHugh said.

But will stick to original statement not to go after those who spoke to him off the record…….

Despite the need to clarify those comments, McHugh indicated that no action will be taken against those soldiers who told him that they were gay.

“Because of the informal and random manner in which these engagements occurred, I am unable to identify these soldiers and I am not in a position to formally pursue the matter,” McHugh said.

Good Man!….

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March 31, 2010 Posted by | Blogs, Breaking News, Counterpoints, Government, Law, Media, Men, Military, Other Things, PoliticalDog Calls, Politics, Updates, Women | , , , | Leave a comment

Secretary of the Army won't get rid of Gay solider's talking to him 'off the record'……

In a acknowledgement that taking action against gay solider’s talking to him ‘off the record’ would chill the air US Army Secretary John McHugh has made it clear that off the record means that just that….off the record….and that he will not apply the ‘Don’t ask……Don’t Tell’ rules to the gay soldiers who speak to him frankly…….

Under the current law, known as “Don’t ask, don’t tell,” service members who declare that they are gay would have to be discharged, but McHugh indicated he would not pursue any discharges against soldiers who make those statements in private conversations with him.

“I have had men and women in uniform approach me and declare that they were gay and give me their opinion,” McHugh told reporters at a defense writers breakfast. “I don’t consider, under the current way forward, that an open and honest discussion that is required in the secretary’s directive is an outing.”

President Barack Obama wants to see the “Don’t ask, don’t tell” law scrapped, and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates has tasked military service leaders with assessing the force’s position on implementing a repeal of the Clinton-era law.

More……..

Update……

McHugh must have got beatup a little…..He isses this statement a day later…..

“With regard to the three soldiers who shared their views and thoughts with me on ‘Don’t Ask Don’t Tell,’ I might better have counseled them that statements about their sexual orientation could not be treated as confidential and could result in their separation under the law,” McHugh said.

But will stick to original statement not to go after those who spoke to him off the record…….

Despite the need to clarify those comments, McHugh indicated that no action will be taken against those soldiers who told him that they were gay.

“Because of the informal and random manner in which these engagements occurred, I am unable to identify these soldiers and I am not in a position to formally pursue the matter,” McHugh said.

Good Man!….

More……..

March 31, 2010 Posted by | Blogs, Breaking News, Counterpoints, Government, Law, Media, Men, Military, Other Things, PoliticalDog Calls, Politics, Updates, Women | , , , | Leave a comment

The Pentagon bumps review of 'Don't Ask…Don't Tell' cases up to senior staff……

Defense Secretary Robert Gates testifies on Capitol Hill in Washington, Wednesday, March 24, 2010, before a House Defense subcommittee hearing on the Defense Department's budget overview. (AP Photo/Manuel Balce Ceneta)

[ Defense Secretary Robert Gates ]

Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates said the military will no longer open investigations into the sexual orientation of service members based on anonymous complaints, will restrict testimony from third parties and will require high-ranking officers to review all cases.

The changes will take effect immediately.

The Pentagon is moving ahead on the assumption that Congress will overturn the ban on gays serving openly, but when or if that will happen remains uncertain. Republican opposition to a change is strong, and some influential Democrats — including Rep. Ike Skelton (Mo.), chairman of the House Armed Services Committee — agree.

The Dog feels that the White House (the force behind this action ) is smart to do this in small pieces and not in one grand stroke….letting the move filter down thru the ranks and before making the eventual ban of gays in the military expire….which will have to come from the Congress….

The discarding on the ban will not make the actions against gays stop…but at least they will have to not have the services detaching them…..letting the United States military catch up with other military’s, police department’s  and government agencies in accepting there are gays quietly serving with honor in their ranks…..

March 25, 2010 Posted by | Breaking News, Counterpoints, Government, Law, Media, Men, Military, Other Things, PoliticalDog Calls, Politics, Updates, Women | , , , , , | Leave a comment

The Pentagon bumps review of ‘Don’t Ask…Don’t Tell’ cases up to senior staff……

Defense Secretary Robert Gates testifies on Capitol Hill in Washington, Wednesday, March 24, 2010, before a House Defense subcommittee hearing on the Defense Department's budget overview. (AP Photo/Manuel Balce Ceneta)

[ Defense Secretary Robert Gates ]

Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates said the military will no longer open investigations into the sexual orientation of service members based on anonymous complaints, will restrict testimony from third parties and will require high-ranking officers to review all cases.

The changes will take effect immediately.

The Pentagon is moving ahead on the assumption that Congress will overturn the ban on gays serving openly, but when or if that will happen remains uncertain. Republican opposition to a change is strong, and some influential Democrats — including Rep. Ike Skelton (Mo.), chairman of the House Armed Services Committee — agree.

The Dog feels that the White House (the force behind this action ) is smart to do this in small pieces and not in one grand stroke….letting the move filter down thru the ranks and before making the eventual ban of gays in the military expire….which will have to come from the Congress….

The discarding on the ban will not make the actions against gays stop…but at least they will have to not have the services detaching them…..letting the United States military catch up with other military’s, police department’s  and government agencies in accepting there are gays quietly serving with honor in their ranks…..

March 25, 2010 Posted by | Breaking News, Counterpoints, Government, Law, Media, Men, Military, Other Things, PoliticalDog Calls, Politics, Updates, Women | , , , , , | Leave a comment

Senator's Lieberman and Levin launch Senate repeal bill of 'Don't Ask…Don't Tell'……

[ Levin and Lieberman ]

Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) on Wednesday launched the first Senate effort in nearly 20 years to repeal the ban on gays serving openly in the military.

Lieberman has the backing of Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.), the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, and hopes to win repeal of the 1993 law known as “Don’t ask, don’t tell” by the end of the year.

Sens. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), Mark Udall (D-Colo.), Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) and Roland Burris (D-Ill.) also sponsored Lieberman’s bill.

It puts the Senate on the same page as the House, where lawmakers for several years have sought to repeal the Clinton-era law.

The legislative path will be rocky.

Early indications suggest the Pentagon may push back on congressional efforts to scrap the law until a Defense Department panel finishes its review of how to implement a repeal.

Lieberman on Wednesday conceded that the 2011 defense authorization bill could be the ideal vehicle to carry his bill. Neither Lieberman nor Levin said he was assured of having 60 votes to push it through the Senate as a standalone bill, but both said they would try to do so first.

If 60 votes are unattainable, Levin said he would seek to insert an amendment in the 2011 Defense Department authorization measure. At the very least, Levin said that he would insert a moratorium of the current law in the massive defense policy bill to prevent any further military discharges because of “Don’t ask, don’t tell.”

Support for the bill within the Senate Armed Services Committee is not a given, either. Democrats such as Jim Webb of Virginia, Evan Bayh of Indiana and Ben Nelson of Nebraska are likely to be skeptical of a repeal at least until the Pentagon’s review is completed. Republican support on the committee for an outright repeal has not yet materialized.

In an interview with The Hill last week, 2008 GOP presidential nominee Sen. John McCain (Ariz.), the ranking member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said many top military officers are still wary of a repeal. McCain, who is up for reelection in November, could represent a prominent roadblock.

If Lieberman’s bill makes it into the committee’s version of the 2011 defense authorization bill, opponents would have to amass 60 votes to strip the amendment from the authorization — a virtual impossibility — instead of forcing Democrats to collect 60 votes for a standalone bill.

“People who are opposed to it would then have to take it out of the bill coming to the floor, and that’s a very different issue,” Levin said.

More………

The passage of a bill will be difficult..while even trying to get a vote on it will make liberals, progressives and gays happy……Gay orientated issue have had virtually not footing for the past year …..throughout the country…with state’s actually repealing previous gay rights legislation…..

While the Secretary Gates and Chief Mullen may be carrying the political ball for the White House…the General’s have warned already…. that they are not ready for the change in policy…which brings back echo’s of the Clinton formation of the policy ….20 years or so ago…..

March 4, 2010 Posted by | Blogs, Breaking News, Government, Law, Media, Men, Military, Other Things, PoliticalDog Calls, Politics, Updates, Women | , , | 2 Comments

Senator’s Lieberman and Levin launch Senate repeal bill of ‘Don’t Ask…Don’t Tell’……

[ Levin and Lieberman ]

Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) on Wednesday launched the first Senate effort in nearly 20 years to repeal the ban on gays serving openly in the military.

Lieberman has the backing of Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.), the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, and hopes to win repeal of the 1993 law known as “Don’t ask, don’t tell” by the end of the year.

Sens. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), Mark Udall (D-Colo.), Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) and Roland Burris (D-Ill.) also sponsored Lieberman’s bill.

It puts the Senate on the same page as the House, where lawmakers for several years have sought to repeal the Clinton-era law.

The legislative path will be rocky.

Early indications suggest the Pentagon may push back on congressional efforts to scrap the law until a Defense Department panel finishes its review of how to implement a repeal.

Lieberman on Wednesday conceded that the 2011 defense authorization bill could be the ideal vehicle to carry his bill. Neither Lieberman nor Levin said he was assured of having 60 votes to push it through the Senate as a standalone bill, but both said they would try to do so first.

If 60 votes are unattainable, Levin said he would seek to insert an amendment in the 2011 Defense Department authorization measure. At the very least, Levin said that he would insert a moratorium of the current law in the massive defense policy bill to prevent any further military discharges because of “Don’t ask, don’t tell.”

Support for the bill within the Senate Armed Services Committee is not a given, either. Democrats such as Jim Webb of Virginia, Evan Bayh of Indiana and Ben Nelson of Nebraska are likely to be skeptical of a repeal at least until the Pentagon’s review is completed. Republican support on the committee for an outright repeal has not yet materialized.

In an interview with The Hill last week, 2008 GOP presidential nominee Sen. John McCain (Ariz.), the ranking member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said many top military officers are still wary of a repeal. McCain, who is up for reelection in November, could represent a prominent roadblock.

If Lieberman’s bill makes it into the committee’s version of the 2011 defense authorization bill, opponents would have to amass 60 votes to strip the amendment from the authorization — a virtual impossibility — instead of forcing Democrats to collect 60 votes for a standalone bill.

“People who are opposed to it would then have to take it out of the bill coming to the floor, and that’s a very different issue,” Levin said.

More………

The passage of a bill will be difficult..while even trying to get a vote on it will make liberals, progressives and gays happy……Gay orientated issue have had virtually not footing for the past year …..throughout the country…with state’s actually repealing previous gay rights legislation…..

While the Secretary Gates and Chief Mullen may be carrying the political ball for the White House…the General’s have warned already…. that they are not ready for the change in policy…which brings back echo’s of the Clinton formation of the policy ….20 years or so ago…..

March 4, 2010 Posted by | Blogs, Breaking News, Government, Law, Media, Men, Military, Other Things, PoliticalDog Calls, Politics, Updates, Women | , , | 2 Comments

American's are all right with abandoning "Don't Ask…Don't Tell"…is the Military?

This from PolitcalWire…..

Americans Back Repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”

A new Quinnipiac poll finds that Americans by a 57% to 36% margin think homosexuals should be able to openly serve in the U.S. military.
Voters also say by a 66% to 31% margin that the current policy of not allowing openly gay men and women to serve is discrimination.

Here’s another link on the issue from the Servicememebers Legal Defense Network………

February 10, 2010 Posted by | Breaking News, Counterpoints, Government, Law, Media, Men, Military, Other Things, Politics, Polls, Religion, Women | , , , | Leave a comment